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Let's get ready to rumble!!!
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Let's get ready to rumble!!! It takes two or more to argue. A lot of people will say that they hate to argue, but it's a pretty common occurrence. And a lot of people love to see a good fight. Some people when they see a fight can't help but to jump into the middle of it, either to help it to continue, or help it to stop. Others will just sit on the sidelines watching for entertainment value either pretending to be disgusted, or clearly being amused. Some fighting is physical, some verbal and or psychological. I personally don't relish fighting any more personally, but watching a good one can be entertaining at times in a sadistic kind of way. Not just any kind of fighting though. It has to have a valid reason and be with people of equal standing etc. No picking on the little guy in other words. I prefer verbal intellectual sparring to the physical as well. Anyone can throw a punch or a kick, right, wrong or indifferent makes no difference there. (Professional wrestling can be entertaining though, more drama there than on a soap opera.  ) I love the debate and tossing back and forth of ideas and beliefs. The personal attacks not so much as sticking to the issue and topic at hand. There can be only so many "Your mama" kind of insults before the person making them sounds like an idiot no matter what their original stance on any given subject is. Sarcasm is great when pulled off so that there is no doubt as to the slicing effect it will have upon another's argument. When I was much younger and my step sister still lived at my dad's house we had adjoining rooms and I would sneak into her room some nights and we would have verbal sparring matches just for fun. It was great practice for when dealing with actual bullies and assholes. When my step father was yelling at my mother or brothers I was the only one that would stand up to him and give his shit right back at him. It wasn't to hard to best a drunk ass hole in a rage over something stupid and insignificant. As they say, in a battle of wits make sure you are armed. Nowadays I prefer to disarm with humor on most occasions. I don't see much point in joining in many debates so much, though I will add my 2 cents worth sometimes if I'm super cranky and my buttons have been pushed. But rather than long drawn out fights, just dropping my opinion in a no response needed sort of way works for me. And hell, to each their own. I'm sure not going to change anybody's mind for them, maybe just give a different perspective. What are your thoughts on fighting?   |
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This is a great post Peeka! Kudos. It really echoes my thoughts too. I love a good debate but as someone with some skills in both realms, I would venture to say you are probably incorrect to say just anyone can throw a reasonable kick or a punch, anymore than just anyone can defend themselves well intellectually. It's too bad so many people get pissy about disagreeing, and a drag when ignorant stubbornness turns out to be more important than peeling the onion. All are welcome to an audience with The Magnificent One oldirtybacchus
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I used to have a lot of verbal and occasional physical fights with my older brother when we were growing up. Mainly about stupid things like who's turn to get the shopping or something trivial. I'd be stupid to get involved in a fight these days as I'd definitely be the worse for wear. I do like watching some of the British boxers on T.V. but not the American style wrestling.
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I used to kick ass when younger. (I thank my brothers for that! ) Tongue lashing  I've made my ex cry, but I took no joy in it. Ok, so maybe a little. 
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This is a great post Peeka! Kudos. It really echoes my thoughts too. I love a good debate but as someone with some skills in both realms, I would venture to say you are probably incorrect to say just anyone can throw a reasonable kick or a punch, anymore than just anyone can defend themselves well intellectually. It's too bad so many people get pissy about disagreeing, and a drag when ignorant stubbornness turns out to be more important than peeling the onion. I didn't mean to imply that anyone could physically fight well, just that once it comes to blows it doesn't matter what intellectually makes sense, the better physical fighter will win regardless of their stance's solidity. Anyone with mobility can strike out physically, they just may or may not come out of it on top. I like to agree to disagree most days. 
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I used to have a lot of verbal and occasional physical fights with my older brother when we were growing up. Mainly about stupid things like who's turn to get the shopping or something trivial. I'd be stupid to get involved in a fight these days as I'd definitely be the worse for wear. I do like watching some of the British boxers on T.V. but not the American style wrestling. The American style wrestling is purely entertainment on stupid levels and got to be way too much for me, but it did have some laugh value when watching it with friends on occasion and did have some great material like my favorite still: "I'm going to lay the smack down on your candy ass!" The Rock. I use this on my midgets sometimes. The ex watches UFC and I just could watch only so much before I was cringing.
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Debating can be fun so long as it all stays clean. It's good to know your limits though, and those of whom you're debating with.
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I almost always lose when I fight with myself. What's your secret?
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Thanks! I didn't mean to imply that anyone could physically fight well, just that once it comes to blows it doesn't matter what intellectually makes sense, the better physical fighter will win regardless of their stance's solidity. Anyone with mobility can strike out physically, they just may or may not come out of it on top. I like to agree to disagree most days. The better physical fighter winning? Well sometimes, and sometimes not. I never engage in gratuitous violence anyhow. All are welcome to an audience with The Magnificent One oldirtybacchus
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That kind of "fighting" is fun.
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You know I find even without coming to blows it often doesn't matter what makes intellectual sense. In my experience people frequently take a foolish and primitive attitude, reacting to their interpretation of the tone and body language, much more than the content of what you're saying. Very frustrating. The better physical fighter winning? Well sometimes, and sometimes not. I never engage in gratuitous violence anyhow.
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Wrestling in bed with someone can be fun.
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I have had my nose fixed 3 times because of fights  over my lifetime so I have retired gracefully and prefer to just walk away from any fight big or small.Never did fight or argue with ladies, you are always right. 
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Dignity is something you have or you don't. It can't really be taken from you.
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Are we fighting?  All are welcome to an audience with The Magnificent One oldirtybacchus
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Only if there's to be virtual make up sex Make love not war.
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12/24/2009 9:46 pm |
"If you argue correctly, you're never wrong" That's the reason I don't bother "arguing". People will believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts are. The truth is really just a matter of perspective. Especially when it comes to the big issues like religion or politics. If I think some one is stupid, I limit myself to biting sarcasm. Which is more of a release for me since I can only handle so much stupid before it feels like I'll explode. I like to debate things like religion and politics. The difference to me between a debate and an argument is respect. I have a few very religious friends, I'm not. With one guy I used to work with, we'd be going back and forth the whole shift, not agreeing on a single thing, but at the end of the day we had more respect for each other even though we never found common ground. I don't really distinguish between a verbal and physical fight. A confrontation is a confrontation. Don't have much love for either, but I don't see one as worse than the other. If someone gets nasty with a person verbally, and that person then cracks them in the head, well then I guess that was the wrong direction to take the argument. I don't like bullying though, the idea that I'm right because I'm bigger and/or stronger. I don't believe in right of might, but I do believe an attack is an attack, so if someone attacks me verbally, I may choose to counter physically. If someone attacks my idea, well you can't defend an idea physically, it has to stay in the intellectual realm. Censorship is not a defense. If they attack me personally, well then I have the option of a battle of wits, or I can fast forward the argument with a right hook. I also don't discriminate based on gender. If it's something worth hitting another man over, a woman would get the exact same treatment. I haven't done either in a very long time, I'd kinda like to keep it that way. I just like to have options.  The type of arguing I really hate is when it involves people you really like with ideas you really hate. Most of these arguments also tend to center around religion or politics. It is so hard to get your point across when on the inside you just want to scream "are you fucking retarded?" but you can't, because you love them. So you have to try to present your argument in a way they can relate to but at the same time gently dismantle their view so that they don't put up their defensive shell because once that happens nothings getting through. I have failed at this type sooooo many times. I always start out well, but then as time goes by and pressure builds the "you're a fucking idiot" always finds its way out. Once that happens, shields are up and it doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, nobody is listening. Sorry about such a long winded answer but it feels like I've been fighting something or some one for pretty much my entire life, especially life itself. So I have lots of opinions on fighting, both physical and verbal. I've only littered you blog with a fraction.
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"If you argue correctly, you're never wrong" That's the reason I don't bother "arguing". People will believe what they want to believe no matter what the facts are. The truth is really just a matter of perspective. Especially when it comes to the big issues like religion or politics. If I think some one is stupid, I limit myself to biting sarcasm. Which is more of a release for me since I can only handle so much stupid before it feels like I'll explode. I like to debate things like religion and politics. The difference to me between a debate and an argument is respect. I have a few very religious friends, I'm not. With one guy I used to work with, we'd be going back and forth the whole shift, not agreeing on a single thing, but at the end of the day we had more respect for each other even though we never found common ground. I don't really distinguish between a verbal and physical fight. A confrontation is a confrontation. Don't have much love for either, but I don't see one as worse than the other. If someone gets nasty with a person verbally, and that person then cracks them in the head, well then I guess that was the wrong direction to take the argument. I don't like bullying though, the idea that I'm right because I'm bigger and/or stronger. I don't believe in right of might, but I do believe an attack is an attack, so if someone attacks me verbally, I may choose to counter physically. If someone attacks my idea, well you can't defend an idea physically, it has to stay in the intellectual realm. Censorship is not a defense. If they attack me personally, well then I have the option of a battle of wits, or I can fast forward the argument with a right hook. I also don't discriminate based on gender. If it's something worth hitting another man over, a woman would get the exact same treatment. I haven't done either in a very long time, I'd kinda like to keep it that way. I just like to have options. The type of arguing I really hate is when it involves people you really like with ideas you really hate. Most of these arguments also tend to center around religion or politics. It is so hard to get your point across when on the inside you just want to scream "are you fucking retarded?" but you can't, because you love them. So you have to try to present your argument in a way they can relate to but at the same time gently dismantle their view so that they don't put up their defensive shell because once that happens nothings getting through. I have failed at this type sooooo many times. I always start out well, but then as time goes by and pressure builds the "you're a fucking idiot" always finds its way out. Once that happens, shields are up and it doesn't matter what you say or how you say it, nobody is listening. Sorry about such a long winded answer but it feels like I've been fighting something or some one for pretty much my entire life, especially life itself. So I have lots of opinions on fighting, both physical and verbal. I've only littered you blog with a fraction.
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12/28/2009 12:42 pm |
I only engage in a fight when there is something to actually fight for which is really very seldom. However, I do seriously love to banter, and test the human limits of patience and how deeply one feels about their beliefs. In a battle of wit and will, I generally do fairly well. H. 
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I only engage in a fight when there is something to actually fight for which is really very seldom. However, I do seriously love to banter, and test the human limits of patience and how deeply one feels about their beliefs. In a battle of wit and will, I generally do fairly well. H.
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